Dan Bandman is tempted by The Colonel.

By Justin Hemminger

Dan Bandman is tempted by The Colonel.
(photo by Jennifer Wray)

Dan Bandman has been a fixture in the Columbus music scene for nearly 20 years, playing guitar in Superstar Rookie, The Handshake and Bookmobile and playing drums in 84 Nash and The Kyle Sowashes. In food circles, he is best known as the hype man/cook behind Kitchen Little, the prepared food arm of North Market Poultry & Game renowned for its hearty stews and succulent meats. We discussed food and music over one of our favorite local dishes, the corned beef hash at Best Breakfast & Sandwiches in Westerville.

Full disclosure: Dan Bandman and I are both in The Kyle Sowashes.  I’m actively looking for more musician/cook/foodies who are not my bandmates to interview for this column.  Hit me up with suggestions in the comments below.

CC: How did you get into cooking?

DB: I had a job at Hardee’s when I was in high school and I think that‘s the only thing I had ever done that was cooking. When we moved down here, our friend’s older brother worked at an IGA in Linworth in the deli department. He was like “I can get you a job,” so all of us – all of Richland County that lived in Columbus – worked at this IGA. It was old-school so you’d make sausage, you’d stuff it, you’d make ham salad which was the best – there’s never been a ham salad as good as that IGA’s ham salad – and wait on customers. I did that stuff but I did some of the butcher stuff too. So all of a sudden I knew a trade. It gave me the ability to get a job that paid a little bit more, working in a butcher shop. I worked at Kroger for a little while. I worked at Whole Foods because a lot of my friends ended up in the meat department there. There was no spot in the meat department so I worked the grocery for a little while, then went back to school because workaday life was getting stupid and school started to make sense.

CC: How did you end up at the North Market?

I rode my bike there one day on my day off and thought “oh man, this place is great, I should be working here.” I applied at all the meat shops in the Market. The guy with the eyebrows at the chicken shop was interested and I thought “I’d like to speak to his boss.” And it turns out he’s the boss. So they hired me and I started cutting there. They had a kitchen and I showed a propensity to cook or have an interest in food, so I started helping out more and more in the kitchen. As the counter folk left I’d move in and work the counter. When the cooks left I’d go in and work the kitchen. It was a great environment because they don’t have recipes; the one thing they insist upon is that everything is done from scratch and that the ingredients are quality. That’s something that they instilled upon me. Other than that, I could do whatever I wanted. It gave me a chance to learn and I started researching and looking through cookbooks and studying to figure out how to make things better and solve problems with ingredients. That was really fun and I really became a cook there. It was a great environment for it.

CC: You get a fair amount of recognition for what you’ve done at Kitchen Little in the past few years. Do you think you’re more recognized for your food or your music? Which would you rather be recognized for?

DB: They’re different scenes. I think I have more acquaintances through music. Food is different because foodies are like groupies. I’m not going to have as many; I mean, I’m not Ray Ray. I’m just happy to be recognized for anything, honestly. I put my all into both of those endeavors. I feel like more people know me from music, and it’s not because they’re like “oh, there’s Dan, he’s an awesome musician.” It’s because Columbus is a small scene and I’ve been in it for 20 years. I think most of the people who know me as a musician may not know that I cook. And of all the people who know that I cook, only a handful know that I play music. Not a lot of crossover. And it doesn’t seem like there would be. You could say to somebody “you like my food, I also play in a band and I have a show,” that’s a way of soiling it. Then it’s like “well, they’re not going to eat my food anymore if they don’t like (my music).” Now, I know they’re going to like my food. Food is easy to make people like as long as it has ingredients that they like. Music is a lot harder to make people like.

CC: Do you actively try to separate food and music then?

DB: I think it’s more of a subconscious thing. I never have been good about saying “come see my band.” It’s been my least favorite thing about playing music. I like to be in a band that has a mouthpiece that does that, which is one of the bonuses of being in Kyle’s band. I don’t feel like I shouldn’t do it at all, because I should be pulling my weight and I do to some small extent. With food, I think what’s made me notable at Kitchen Little is that we never had an internet presence or a social media presence and we’re kind of invisible there anyway. It was Carrie (Dan’s wife) actually who said “you should start a Facebook page or a Twitter,” so I started doing it. And I think that’s kind of how I became (known for it). People should know I’m not cooking all that food, although if I’m there I’m going to bring a level of quality hopefully to it.

CC: You’ve worked with a fair number of musicians in kitchens. Do you think there’s a crossover between musical creativity and culinary creativity?

DB: Yeah, I think probably. For me cooking scratches a similar itch that making music does. I feel like I’m being creative. There’s something primal about it but also something sophisticated. Playing music is, to me, a more cooperative endeavor. Cooking can be, certainly, but it’s not always. As a musician and also as a cook I always try to think about what works together. “What could make this better?” I’m always tasting and thinking “what can I do to change this.” And when I play music I do the same thing. “What can I do to make this more interesting? What does it need? What doesn’t it need?” The thing about being a musician is it’s easy to take something out when you’re building a song. If you’re making a dish and you’re like “I should not have put that cinnamon in there,” then there’s no going back from that.

CC: You’re kind of a notorious guitar gear head. Do you have a favorite piece of kitchen gear?

DB: The thing I can’t live without at home is my 10” Lodge cast iron skillet. At work I’m pretty much an iron skillet guy. I don’t know how to cook with anything that isn’t iron. I’m screwed when it comes to tomatoes or any kind of acidic ingredient or any kind of reductions. I can reduce in a stainless.

CC: How about a favorite piece of guitar gear?

DB: My Vox Tonebender fuzz clone. Part of that is that I was never into fuzz for 20 years of playing. When you play with fuzz, you have to learn to do things differently and it has a way of making things fresh. Also fuzz is so organic and nasty and it’s something you kind of control but don’t really. I like that it’s not going to go totally off the tracks but it’s going to kind of do what it wants and if I know it well enough I’ll know how to get it back to where I want it.

CC: Is there a kitchen technique or a food that has crept up on you lately the same way that fuzz has?

DB: The thing that I didn’t do until pretty recently, and maybe I do it now to a fault, is I try to make each ingredient that I’m going to add and find out how to make it its best. Pinpoint its essence. With veggies, I’m going to sauté them first or roast them first, I’m going to season them first, and then, of course, all the seasonings you do at the end. That’s something I didn’t think about until relatively recently, maybe the last year or two, because I was just like “you throw everything in and it all gets cooked, it all tastes good.” Not everything, but the Jewish brisket you just throw it all in a pot and it comes out great (see recipe below). Can you make it better? Maybe. Can you ruin by trying to make it better? Maybe.

CC: Who in the Columbus music and culinary scenes do you look up to?

DB: Kevin Caskey from Skillet. I can’t believe the stuff that he’s doing, and the way that he’s doing it is so not pretentious. Gourmet food scares me. I’m a blue-collar, salt of the earth cook guy. It’s not that I don’t appreciate fine food, but I don’t think that you need to dress food up and call it expensive. If you go to a gourmet restaurant, you’re paying for good ingredients done the right way by somebody who knows how these flavors go together. I don’t like the terminology or the fussiness. I mean, Refectory is delicious but I don’t like that somebody in a choker collar comes and takes my order and then somebody else in a different choker collar comes and fills my glass. I like being served, but I feel like some people think that’s the point, but I’m not one of those. Skillet is just like, casual. I mean, you have to walk through the kitchen to go to the bathroom. They have nothing to hide there. They use local ingredients, they do it right, they’re changing things all the time. That dude’s a rock star to me.  Liz Lessner, what she does for Columbus, I really appreciate that. I think she’s trying to build Columbus up. Some other people might be more interested in bringing themselves up and not Columbus and I know that she seems to care about Columbus as a whole. I like this place (Best Breakfast), mostly for this dish. I don’t like everything they do, but they make their own bread, they make their own corned beef, that’s all right in my wheel house. It shows that they care. We don’t go out and eat a lot, when we do it’s not expensive. It’s food trucks.

CC: You mentioned Ray Ray’s Hog Pit before and I know you’re a fan; are there any other food trucks you’re really into?

DB: I like El Manantial Latino in the 14-0 parking lot (Hudson and Indianola). It’s Venezuelan or Colombian, I always get it confused. They make arepas which are great. Since I can’t have bread, anytime I can find something that resembles bread that isn’t bread… Los Guachos which now has its own restaurant on Godown, they make good food there. Los Potosinos (on Long street in King-Lincoln). I’m glad to see food trucks everywhere, but it’s kind of like breweries now, you know, “that’s enough, you should stop.” By the same token, if I end up being a full-time teacher, I’d probably want to have a summer truck, but I’m afraid to start my own business. I know I could do it well if I could get it going but I’m afraid to make that leap. Plus, financially I can’t do it. But if I had somebody who was going to help me and had the money I’d say “OK, let’s do it.”

CC: How about local musicians?

DB: Well, Kyle Sowash. I do appreciate what he does for Columbus. How Liz Lessner is with restaurants, that’s kind of how Kyle is about music. Lizard McGee from Earwig, he’s tried to do his own thing. Jon Chinn, who’s not in Columbus anymore, but his studio and all the music he’s ever made, I just really liked what he did. I’m sure there’s a bunch of others, but my memory’s not so good.

CC: What are your favorite tour food destinations?

DB: Katz’s Deli in New York. Salt Lick BBQ in Texas. I would say Hot Doug’s but I don’t like to kill an afternoon to get a hot dog or a sausage. The food is good but I’m in Chicago, I want to do other things. If I go to Driftwood, Texas for barbecue and I have to wait two hours then I’m just at a podunk barbecue in Texas. In Chicago, I get antsy about waiting.

CC: If a touring band was coming to Columbus, where would you send them to eat?

DB: I guess it would depend on where the show is, because you would want to go somewhere close to the show. Skillet, everybody should eat at Skillet. I know it’s a pain: Skillet’s another one where you have to wait a long time to go eat there, and there’s not many places I feel are worth that. Skillet is. When they come to the North Market and we don’t have what they want, I send them to Knead. I think Knead is pretty good. I like Barley’s in that area too. I would probably say Ray Ray’s too. That barbecue is good, man. It’s consistent, which is not easy for barbecue.

CC: Do you get a fair number of bands coming through the Market?

DB: Probably not, and if they are they’re bands that I don’t know. Steve Malkmus (of Pavement) came in. Dan Auerbach (of The Black Keys) came through. Normally bands playing those places (LC Pavilion) aren’t people I would recognize.

CC: Where does Dan Bandman go next, food-wise and music-wise?

DB: Musically, I’ll always be doing something, and I think that’s why I started the Japanese B-Sides. I can have a cover band, it’ll be fun, don’t have to go out of town, might actually make some money. I was tired of playing originals and having to pretend like I was going to make it. I just wanted music to be like when I was 16 and it was just goofy and fun and I didn’t have those kind of “rich and famous” aspirations. Food-wise, I don’t know. I would like to someday have my own restaurant. Carrie and I always used to talk about when we retire having a diner. I don’t know why we would wait. Of course, now that we have a kid on the way we’re going to be waiting because our time to gamble is probably behind us. We’re timid personalities somewhat when it comes to that kind of pressure. I love cooking. It fulfills something in me that other vocations or jobs won’t fill. I’ll always want to be cooking somewhere.  The way I cook is not really short order cooking, it’s not really restaurant dinner service.  That stuff is super stressful.  My job is stressful but I don’t feel like in the same way.  I’d be kind of afraid if I got a job at Skillet or Alana’s.  I’ve talked to those guys about working for them and I think if I were to do it, it’d be a real transition.  I’m comfortable behind a skillet but I’d be pretty anxious.  I cuss a lot back there.

CC: I think most everybody does.

DB: It just feels so good.

Kitchen Little (attached to North Market Poultry & Game)
59 Spruce St., Columbus
Tues-Fri: 10:30 am-4 pm
Sat: 9 am-5 pm

The Kyle Sowashes will be playing at The Tree Bar (887 Chambers Rd.) on Saturday, June 22nd with The Karl Hendricks Trio (Pittsburgh, PA) and Marcy Mays (of Scrawl).



1 4-6 lb. beef brisket (not corned beef!)
1 12 oz. bottle Heinz chili sauce
1 12 oz. can Coca-Cola (can substitute with another acidic liquid.  Dan likes pinot noir.)
White onions, sliced
Celery stalks
Carrots, chopped

Layer the bottom of a roasting pan with celery and onions. Place the brisket on top of the vegetable layer, poke holes in it with a fork and pour in the bottle of chili sauce. Fill the bottle with water and pour that in the pan. Cook uncovered at 325 for one hour. Add chopped carrots and a can of Coke, then cover and cook until tender, about 30 minutes per pound. Transfer the brisket to a cutting board and let rest for at least 15 minutes. Remove the vegetables, then skim the fat from the remaining pan juices. Reduce the defatted juices in a saucepan until at the consistency you desire. Trim any visible fat from the brisket and slice against the grain. Serve with the pan juice reduction.  Make it once like this, then experiment.


By Justin Hemmniger


I used to live a couple doors down from Club 185 at the corner of Livingston and Mohawk. While this was my neighborhood bar by default, I may have gone there twice the entire time that I lived down the street. I was a fish out of water down there, too young and poor to invest in rustic German Village’s lofty cost of living. Still, even without my few hard-earned dollars, they seemed to do brisk business as evidenced by the number of times I was awoken by a loud string of obscenities from a patron on his stumble back home.

One night last week I was invited to a happy hour get-together at Club 185 and I happily accepted. It’s not that I didn’t like the place – its ambience is tastefully maintained and the bar and kitchen selections are artfully curated – its clientele just never appealed to me. As is often my case, however, I was won over on this particular night by a simple gustatory delight.

As part of the happy hour spread, Club 185 offered us complimentary homemade potato chips and French onion dip. It’s a cheap, easy way to a beer-drinker’s heart: sour cream, mayonnaise, French onion soup mix and a garnish of green onion alongside a heaping bowl of golden brown potato chips. There’s really nothing exotic about this offering, but after a couple of half-price pints I was amenable to stuffing my face in front of six total strangers and was pleasantly surprised to have my taste buds shaken awake after a hard day at work.

If Club 185 is your neighborhood bar, I’d highly recommend stopping in during happy hour, meeting some friends and trying this simple little crowd-pleaser. As well as it goes over in the bar, you’ll want to remember this dip for the next time you have to bring snacks to a party. Skip the store-bought stuff and spend 5 minutes putting a smile on everyone’s face.

Club 185
185 E. Livingston Ave.
Mon – Fri 11:30am – 2:30am (Happy Hour 4-7pm)
Sat & Sun 5pm – 2:30am

French Onion Chip Dip (party size)
16 oz. sour cream
¾ cup mayonnaise
2 oz. French Onion soup mix
Green onions (chopped for garnish)
Salt and pepper (to taste)

Combine sour cream, mayonnaise and soup mix and stir until evenly mixed.  Stir in salt and pepper if necessary.  Top serving bowl with chopped green onion garnish.  Chill until ready to serve and accompany with your favorite potato chips.


By Justin Hemminger


Columbus called for me about 9 years ago: I packed up my life in Toledo and made the move southward. I had a handful of college buddies who had moved here before me, but I was essentially rebooting my life on a whim. For the first few months, I was really homesick and wondering if I had made the wrong decision. To combat that doubt, I was looking for a way to explore and connect with my new home while retaining ties to where I grew up.

I’ve often said that all a man really needs for a happy life (besides a spouse/partner) is a barber, a butcher and a mechanic. I found my wrencher right away (because when you don’t have a job, your car always breaks down) and I’ve been through about a dozen hair cutters so far (maybe I’ll get into that in a future column). There are plenty of meat mongers to choose from around here, but when I discovered that there were House of Meats locations in Columbus I knew that everything was going to work out OK for this Toledo transplant.

K & J House of Meats is perhaps Northwest Ohio’s most successful and respected meat market. What began as a simple family butchery has blossomed into a mini-meat empire with nine northwest Ohio shops and one in each of The Andersons General Stores here in Columbus (one on Brice Road and the other near Sawmill and 161.) My mom and I used to go to the Alexis Road House of Meats every Sunday morning. While this is the kind of shop where you pull a number and wait to be called, our butcher, James, could be counted on to recognize us as we walked in the door and jump to our service, numbers be damned.

With Memorial Day coming up, I went to House of Meats this week to stock up on grillables. I picked some of my childhood favorites: marinated chicken breasts, Hungarian hot dogs and bacon-wrapped pork medallions. HoM offers several flavors of their boneless, skinless chicken breasts; I went for the Italian Gusto and made a fantastic grilled chicken pasta salad with it (recipe below). The Hungarian hot dog is a heavily paprika-spiced natural casing dog that is a Toledo staple food. These are smaller versions of the world-famous Tony Packo’s hot dog and are properly served with minced onions, yellow mustard and Packo’s chili sauce (also available at House of Meats). The crown jewel, however, is the pork medallion, a four ounce tenderloin cut marinated in Audrey’s basting sauce (another Toledo product) and wrapped in bacon. The medallions were on sale for $1.19 each as the HoM daily special when I went in. It was a challenge not to buy out the entire case at that price.

Besides the Toledo specialties, House of Meats offers just about any cut of beef, pork or chicken you could possibly desire.  They also deal in veal, lamb, buffalo and some seafood. This is a service-based butcher shop: if they don’t have what you’re looking for, just ask and they’ll cut to your liking. You can also plan ahead and stock your freezer with anything from a “One Week Meal Deal” (mix of beef, pork, chicken and sausage) to a 300+ lb. side of beef.

I can’t say that I’m an exclusive House of Meats customer (if a happy man only needs one butcher, then I’m a very happy man), but when it’s Toledo calling, I know I can count on them for unique offerings that I can’t get anywhere else in Columbus. It’s well worth seeking out one of the two tucked-away Andersons stores for this hidden meat marvel.

House of Meats at The Andersons General Store (Sawmill)
7000 Bent Tree Blvd., Columbus
Monday-Saturday: 8 a.m. – 9 p.m.
Sunday: 9 a.m. – 7 p.m.

House of Meats at The Andersons General Store (Brice Rd.)
5800 Alshire Rd., Columbus
Monday-Saturday: 8 a.m. – 9 p.m.
Sunday: 9 a.m. – 7 p.m.

Italian Grilled Chicken Pasta Salad

Salad ingredients:
1 lb. tri-color penne or rotini
1 whole Italian Gusto marinated chicken breast
4 roma tomatoes, cored and diced large
1/4 red onion, diced large
2 large handfuls of fresh baby spinach
3 cloves of garlic, minced
1/3 cup shredded Asiago cheese
olive oil

Dressing ingredients:
4 Tbsp. olive oil
2 Tbsp. balsamic vinegar
1 tsp. kosher salt
1 tsp. lemon pepper
1/2 Tbsp. Italian seasoning
1 Tbsp. grated parmesan cheese
1 clove of garlic, minced

Grill chicken breast until internal temperature reaches 165 degrees, then allow it to rest for 15-20 minutes before dicing into 3/4″ pieces.  Boil pasta to al dente doneness, then drain and rinse with cold water.  Heat some olive oil in a pan over medium heat and saute red onion and garlic for 2 minutes.  Add spinach to pan and cook until wilted.  Allow mixture to cool, then toss with pasta, chicken, tomatoes and cheese.  Mix all dressing ingredients together and stir into pasta salad.  For best flavor, chill overnight before serving.